==== Cumulative Notes from the Collaboration Wiki Team ==== This is free-form notes from team discussions, in lieu of formal Notes of Meetings. Members are encouraged to use the Wiki collboratively to add / update their own notes. Latest notes are appended at the bottom. [https://www.posccaesar.org/wiki/IdsAdiAvalonCollab Content Wiki Index] ---- '''Wed 5th August 2009''' Manoj, Onno, Gord, Keith, Mike(O), Lee, Darius, Rahul, Ian ---- '''Wed 19th August 2009'''[[BR]] Adrian, Gord, Keith, Mike(O), Rahul, Rohit, Manish, Tom, Mike(B), Nils, Magne(pt), Darius, Ric, Robin, Lee, Manoj, Gary (B) [https://www.posccaesar.org/wiki/IdsAdiAvalonCollab Content Wiki Index] ... as general rolling agenda. Active projects * Bechtel "BDEF" work with Emerson * Proteus (was Matrix 123) BDEF & Proteus to establish the Thursday modelling meeting as a general open session - need to control agenda & separate levels of modelling - eg Business / Implementation / Formal. Rationalizing the spreadsheet format for capturing template definitions of mapped business content would be a good agenda item to start with. * Primer / Tech Writing (Flow chart of tasks) Gord / Manish / Ian to check & circulate to the wider community for comment. * BIDG * Other. '' Extra-meeting items.'' '' Avalon Challenges to PCA'' '' PCA RDS Business Model Team.'' '' PCA 15926 RDL Content Ph1 completion proposals.'' '' FIATECH Element Champions Meeting in Sept.'' '' (IDS-ADI Core team discussion ?)'' ---- '''Wed 30th Sept 2009'''[[BR]]Those Present ... Onno, Adrian, Keith, Mike, Ric, Tom, Manish, Gord, Darius(pt), Manoj(pt) [https://www.posccaesar.org/wiki/IdsAdiAvalonCollab Content Wiki Index] .... as general rolling agenda. Agenda - (Update after 6 weeks without review). * How to / Getting Started / Tech-Writing Tasks * Bechtel "BDEF" content * Proteus content * Other collaborative content projects ? * Making use of the wiki itself to share ideas / progress ? (See Mike's last input). * (Mapping & modelling "methodology" & formats - Thursday) * (IOHN / ISA demo content ?) * (Business Operational RDS/WIP - PCA & FIATECH initiatives ?) * ''Publish (in a book ?)'' * ''Speeches / Presentations / Future of 15926 ?'' Manish has shared the index (of existing resources) already.[[BR]]Index of proposed "getting started" created with Gordon & Manish.[[BR]]https://www.posccaesar.org/wiki/ISO15926HowTo_Introduction [[BR]]Robin's personal input / Bechtel history of using Part 4.[[BR]]Plan for other inputs / case studies.[[BR]]Adrian ? Onno ? Ian ? Manoj ? What / How[[BR]]Emerson (Duane Toavs ?) Tom (Dow) - Why / Business-case / How[[BR]]Ian / Onno share GoToMeeting Proteus - New ID's / And new items prepared for RDS/WIP. 90% scope covered so far.[[BR]]Spreadsheets at the moment / No reliable sandbox currently (Camelot time limited.)[[BR]]Proteus domain sandbox ? Advice from Julian / Robin.[[BR]]Limitation is the availability of the PCA / RDL content in the Avalon / iRING format other than the Camelot sandbox.[[BR]]Expectation is an Avalon-wide (PCA / RDL content) which a Proteus sandbox can rely on. Need to come back to the "general" availability of RDS/WIP.[[BR]]Previous Matrix123 Demo ? Details for the Primer. Adrian to provide to Gord) BIDG is creating content too.[[BR]]EPRI nuclear power & ARC strong interest has led to them taking the lead ... we will add IDS-ADI needs to these ... "chapters" for different indutrial domains. Also interested in having an Infrastructure project domain chapter. Upstream Oil&Gas also needed.[[BR]]ARC data matrix will be made 15926 compliant / mapped as part of this project. Ditto for EPRI.[[BR]]Large potential scope here - limited by focussing on "guides" rather than comprehensive specific data content / matrices. Using the Wiki[[BR]]Onno inhibited by page / author "rule" - [[BR]]Keith intending to use more as we get to defining the templatre / content needs.[[BR]]Gord is using to capture the documentation - people are encouraged to enter content directly in the place holders. Use it to "think" - place notes there and come back to them.[[BR]]Notification / watch-page facility is hidden / under-used ... we need to fix / make clearer ... simply click "watch-page" to subscribe to a page. Updates - both PCA & FIATECH planning initiatives for sustainable business-like operation of the RDS/WIP. Opportunity to publish a book --- 15926 "for dummies" idea.[[BR]](Bentley is publlishing the RFID cookbook ... could do the same for 15926 "cookbook")[[BR]]Level of expert review needed for existing Primer content still.[[BR]]Ric will initiate discussions with IDS-ADI blessing. Wider planning / messages - needs an IDS-ADI SC discussion ?[[BR]]The "how to / get started" content quality / priority review will need some common agreement. Ric is presenting at a conference on wider standards (inc COBIE / BuildingSmart / BIM / IFC's) - wants to bring more collaboration / convergence to the standards.[[BR]]Asked to present on 15926 ... the interoperability of integration standards .... connecting these other standards to 15926. Leadership / challenge is good. The what (content) will be non-contentious, whatever the forms it has been created. The "how to" will be a challenge - the technolgical power looks simple - but it is harder to organize to achieve. Connected (rather than harmonized) through eg Wikis / Social-networking tools. (The convergence should make it easier to generate funding for the difficult "how to" tasks. The marketing / reaction aspect of taking over the ground of others.) ---- '''Wed 28th Oct 2009'''[[BR]]Those Present ... Manish, Gord, Robin, Ian, Darius, Keith, Adrian, Manoj, Gary Brown (pt), Rahul, '''Avalon Ends in November''' AVALON Primary Focus - to deliver the RDL Service Provision Requirements[[BR]]Required by both PCA and FIATECH "Operational RDL" Project(s)[[BR]]''This is demanding priority time of several key players until complete.[[BR]]Add the need for the umbrella forum in this picture - "IDS-ADI refresh".'' AVALON Secondary - iRING Tools & Technology (protocols & specifications)[[BR]]''Ongoing user group planned - around the S/W development & processes ?'' AVALON Secondary - Content Collaboration Wiki[[BR]]Always intended to be between other projects & initiatives.[[BR]]Wiki can remain to facilitate sharing of issues & subjects, and to allow such projects to collaborate.[[BR]]''Suggest any future teleconference meetings set up ad-hoc as driven by project initiatives / needs / issues.'' Other FIATECH / PCA (and other) Collaboration on 15926 generally (IDS-ADI).[[BR]](All aspects -Content / Modelling / Technology / Standards / Business / Marketing / Conferences etc ...)[[BR]]No formal joint organization (not since Oct 2008 in fact)[[BR]]Both have boards. Both have specific subgroups (committees / champions).[[BR]]One proposal is for a "Forum" or Advisory Group" as a "gathering place" of members of both with common interest to discuss initiatives of either or both (or their members) and advise either or both.[[BR]]''(Cannot claim any formally authorised role in either FIATECH or PCA.)'' Adrian - There is feedback that PCA & FIATECH want to strengthen this ongoing relationship, but as yet no formal arrangement agreed. Gord - The approach is "Now I'm interested, but what do I do next?" (Note, linked prominently to Avalon currently). The "how to" stuff is really beyond the primer now .... where is the home for this ? Yes, these pages ... under what was IDS-ADI (Avalon is a time-limited project) ... continue with IDS-ADI branding for now (see note on FIATECH and PCA collaboration above). Start at the IDS-ADI top page https://www.posccaesar.org/wiki/IdsAdiProject (Noted security certificate problem is still there - solution is to ensure you are pointing to [http://www.posccaesar.org www.posccaesar.org] NOT trac.posccaesar.org - which is now redundant / redirected.) Specific content progress ... * BDEF - Bechtel / Emerson (Dow & Fluor originally too, and maybe again later)[[BR]]Content - deep slice vertically (Emerson - one instrument modelling in detail - classes and templates)/ and thin horizontal layer (Bechtel - broad functional needs across instruments / lists / datasheets). Looking like 900 items created. Maybe worth a review of that content ? Should the Thursday modelling meeting be re-adopted as the umbrella IDS-ADI modelling scope ? OK as a wider agenda even if participants needs driven circumstantially by projects - default agenda to fall back on ongoing priorities. * Proteus - producing agreed spreadsheet formats for content generated as proposals. Up to 16 vendors now signed up (most now active). Probably of the order of 1500 classes involved - many alraedy exist. (Not actually using the RDLFacade endpoint IDGenerator... Mohammed is working on it.) IDGenerator at RDLFacade.org is being used - and its working - important that it's adoption, robustness and scalability is picked-up in the OperationalRDL management. Recognized in the requiremenst document and in the "challenges to PCA" (This is currently seen as a PCA endpoint.) * BIDG - No report today. * Primer / How to / High Level IDS-ADI Documentation / Business Case-studies. Currently gathering case studies - Robin few weeks ago, now Ian (recently, yesterday), list of reference projects (from the S/W vendors) ... to follow up.[[BR]]Lessons learned too. "How to represent legacy schema". Must link this to the "methodology" and "simplification" agendas too.[[BR]]This is a valuable ongoing activity, and the materials useful to all FIATECH / PCA / 15926 parties - see note above on organizing this content. [https://www.posccaesar.org/wiki/IdsAdiAvalonCollab Content Wiki Index]